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The Divine Butler is the title of the fifth episode from season three of The Way of the Master.

Since the Prologue to this program is not included, the timing will be left out. Bear in mind, everything that is presented and said is arranged in proper order.

Episode Walkthrough

The Intro to this program shows Ray and Kirk asking several questions in line with the are you a good person? routine.

  • Ray "The United States of America. God shed his grace on thee. There has never been a nation like it. One founded on Biblical principles, built by men and women who honored the God of the Bible to create."

WOTM then quotes several American heroes and Presidents.

  • "It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom to worship here." - Patrick Henry, May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgess.

It turns out that Patrick Henry probably never said this. At least, nobody has been able to locate it in any of his surviving papers. It is almost certainly a forgery. (Barbara and David Mikkelson, "National Capital," Snopes.com, at: http://www.snopes.com/) ("Patrick Henry: Misquotations," God & Country, at: http://www.geocities.com/) and (Tom Peters et al., "Misquoting by the Religious Right," at: http://members.tripod.com/)

Note: History is not rewritten by one man's personal opinions. When America was first found, there was no freedom of worship here. For instance, Puritans often hanged Quakers and other Christians, because they believed they were heretics. Many Americans did not give Native Americans the right to live free or worship as they pleased. Patrick Henry is only fooling himself.

  • "The general principles upon which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity...I will avow that I believe and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God." - John Adams (no source given).

This is the same John Adams who wrote and signed the Treaty of Tripoli, which says clearly "The united States are in no way founded upon the Christian religion." Enough said.

  • "It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible." - George Washington (no source given).

Why is there no source provided... because George Washington NEVER said this. There is no actual record of such a statement ever having been made by Washington. ReligiousTolerance explains clearly why this is.[1]. Either Ray Comfort is just a poor person who fell for this lie, or if he did do any research he did not do it properly.

  • "This book is the best gift God gave to man." - Abraham Lincoln (no source given, but WOTM says "Lincoln believed that the Bible led him to write the Emancipation Proclamation in 1861.")

This comment by Lincoln is said to have originated when some former slaves in Maryland presented Lincoln with a gift of a Bible. In response to the reported speech in Maryland, Lincoln's partner the Hon. William H. Herndon remarked "I am aware of the fraud committed on Mr. Lincoln in reporting some insane remarks supposed to have been made by him, in 1864, on the presentation of a Bible to him by the colored people of Baltimore. No sane man ever uttered such folly, and no sane man will ever believe it." ("Six Historic Americans: Abraham Lincoln". [2])

  • "We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain to build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel." - Benjamin Franklin (Constitutional Convention of 1787).
  • Ray "America has been a land flowing with milk and honey. It's been the envy of the world. It's been rich in abundance, food and prosperity. America has, by anyone's definition, been blessed by God."

Jump to Ray interviewing several people. He ask them if they think God has blessed America.

  • Kirk "History attests to the fact when America honored God, it was abundantly blessed by God. But lets look at our more recent history. Think back to 9/11 when our enemies killed 3,000 of our people. Where was God's blessing when that happened? Or think of the thousands killed by tornadoes, the hurricanes that at times line up by our shores in such numbers we have run out of names to give them. The nonstop floods and droughts and the onslaught of cancer increasing so rapidly. Why are these things happening in America?"

History shows that America thrived on humanist grounds. The same people who honored God enslaved hundreds of thousands of Africans, even some of the Founding Fathers owned slaves.

Why are there hurricanes? Could be that it is a natural phenomenon that would happen with or without America. Why are there an increase in hurricanes, the biggest answer is global warming - the warming of the seas increases water vapor and thus more hurricanes. Why is this happening to America, it could be that America is a prime producer in carbon dioxide, thus contributing to global warming.

Why are there high rates of cancer in America, but not in Southeast Asia where they do not worship God. Perhaps it is because how we eat. It is no doubt that America has an obese problem and consumes vast amounts of meat. Studies show that meat contributes to heart disease, diabetes, and can lead to cancer. People in southeast Asia mainly eat vegetables, they have a very green diet, and they rarely encounter anyone who gets cancer or heart disease. Maybe another contribute to cancer in America are the vast numbers of oil refineries - EPA documents show that by every oil refinery there is a "cancer alley" where rates of cancer skyrocket unlike anywhere else.

  • Dr. D. James Kennedy (Founder, Coral Ridge Ministries) "When I say that God has removed his hand from this country, I think there are some evidences of that and we have seen them in a number of disastrous things, catastrophic things has happen such as Katrina, such as 9/11, such as the continuing war on terrorism and our country, and um such ways as this we see that God appears to be removing his hand of protection from this country."
  • Kirk "The thought that God could be responsible for the hurricanes, the disease and the floods is unthinkable to us. And yet that is exactly what god promised he would do to nations that fail to honor and obey him. Did you catch that? In the Scriptures, he said that He would cause these things to happen. We have to ask ourselves the question, who is in charge of the weather department anyway? And why is our country plagued with so much disease and suffering?"

All these natural phenomenons happen globally all throughout history. Is it hard to believe that the men who wrote the Bible would say hey, if you don't accept my views, shit will happen? And of all the things that the authors could have listed, they listed natural phenomenons that happen regardless of how religious a nation is. Instead of saying the populations skin will start turning purple, they predicted earthquakes - a phenomenon that will constantly continue to the day the Earth is no more and will strike every nation until then. Basically, it is a circular system. If the whole nation was Christian, then they declare success and everything should be fine. However, if there are still disasters, they say just pray harder. When will people just self-examine themselves and their beliefs like this and just say "this is all bollocks"?

Comparing America to Israel

  • Ray "We get a clue about why America is having trouble by looking at the history of Israel. The nation of Israel started out with God's blessing. God had promised the nation that if they honored and obeyed him, they would have a land flowing with milk and honey. He blessed them with good health and prosperity. He blessed their crops, cattle and sheep, the newborn children, the weather and economy. He also promised to defeat their enemies. But he warned that if they disobeyed him, they would lose those blessings. They would instead be plagued with terrible diseases, suffer boils and drought, irrational fear, insanity and blindness. The crops would be inundated with disease, their children would be born unhealthy, marriages will fall apart and the nation would fall into debt. But also warned that enemies would over take them and scatter them throughout the nations. All this would happen if they refused to serve and fear the God that had blessed them with abundance. The Bible often speaks of God dealing with sinful nations, such as Lebanon, Egypt and many others. Psalm 22 says that God is the ruler over nations. The Book of Job says he makes nations great and destroys them, he larges nations and guides them."
  • David Barton "The Bible is timeless, therefor the Bible is written for the past and the present. Just as we know that salvation is not only for the time that it was given 2,000 years ago, but also for today. Same is the truth of nations. The Bible used individuals and nations then, it uses individuals and nations now. The Bible tells us that whatever nation honors God, God will honor that nation. That was not for then, that was for then and now. The Bible also tells us that righteousness and blesses was not just for then, but also for now. The Bible says that blesses was God's glory, that applies today just as it applies in every generation, so the Bible is timeless on the principles of nations."

"...whatever nation honors God, God will honor that nation." Secular nations who don't honor God seem to be fairing much better than nations who "honor" God. Sweden, Japan and Denmark are doing pretty well without God. Seems the facts don't agree with Barton; if there is a God, he seems to honor nations who don't honor him.

  • Kirk "Lets look again at that list of plagues that God warned would come upon Israel if they turned their backs on him and then compare that to what is happening to us."

1) Incurable Disease

If you suspect there has been an increase in cancerous diseases in America, you're right. Each year in the U.S. there are more 189,000 new cases of prostate cancer and 200,000 new cases of breast cancer. Over 2,300,000 Americans will get cancer in the next year, many of them will be children. Why the increase? No one knows for sure. Cancer is not our only dilemma, back in 2005 health care spending in the United States reached two trillion, that's $700 per person, more than 8 times the $246,000,000 spent in 1980. We have become a very sick nation, and we are getting sicker.

Cancer is terrible, but not completely "incurable." Many patients have fought cancer and survived. Current experiments have had various results in defeating cancer, but are not mainstream.

HPV is now the most common sexually transmitted disease in the United States. The virus infects over half the American population and causes nearly five thousand women to die each year from cervical cancer; the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) estimates that more the two hundred thousand die worldwide. We now have a vaccine for HPV that appears to be both safe and effective. The vaccine produced 100 percent immunity in the six thousand women who received it as part of a clinical trial. And yet, Christian conservatives in our government have resisted a vaccination program on the grounds that HPV is a valuable impediment to premarital sex. These pious men and women want to preserve cervical cancer as an incentive toward abstinence, even if it sacrifices the lives of thousands of women each year. This is not just insane, it is downright evil.

2) Toxic Mold

"Toxic Mold has become a very serious concern throughout the U.S. Recently, 50,000 new insurance claims involving mold were made in Texas alone. The increases related to mold diseases is being called an epidemic national health crisis."

3) Drought

"ABC news recently published an article titled "More than 60% of the U.S. in drought." As a direct result of drought, forest fires in the U.S. have increased. Why are we having all the catastrophes that are often referred to by the secular media as being 'of biblical proportions'?"

Perhaps it is due to our consumption of water.

4) Mental Disorders and Blindness

"According to the National Mental Health Association, 54 million Americans have mental disorders. Suicide rates are skyrocketing. 4 million Americans have Alzheimer's disease. 10 million are blind or partially blind - 55,000 of those are children."

5) Cattle Disease

"The U.S.D.A's animal health monitoring system estimated a $200-$250 million loss to the dairy industry alone because of disease. Again, no one can put their finger on why these things are happening."

Kirk did as much research on this as he does for the theory of evolution. Why do so many cows die? Perhaps it is how we treat them and feed them. For instance, we fatten chickens so much that they cannot stand and often break their legs when they try, thus they end up dying and are discarded. We feed cows corn, which is not what they are evolved to eat, as a result they end up getting very sick.

6) Childbirth would not be blessed

"Today in America, 1 in 5 pregnancies end in miscarriage. That is 800,000 children die in the womb before they are born. And that is not including abortions."

The number of miscarriages heavily outnumber abortions every year. The Bible says that God has recorded everyone's lives and is with us when we are conceived. And yet, he allows people to die in miscarriage - this means that God is not pro-life.

7) National Debt

In the United States of America, our national debt is currently more than nine trillion dollars. In case you did not know, a trillion is a thousand billion.

Why blame this on a supernatural figure when we already know why we have this problem. The debt is not some divine curse, it is a disaster made by selfish, greedy human beings who want more for themselves and less for everyone else.

8) Failed marriages

(The narrator, not Kirk, reports this one) The National Center for Health Statistics recently released a report which found that 43 percent of first marriages end in separation or divorce.

And Christians are the number one group that will likely have a divorce, with atheists being the least likely.

9) Illegal Aliens

There are as currently 20 million illegal aliens in America.

Where did God say this would be a plague?

10) Victory for Enemies

We have so many enemies in the world, from Al Qaeda to Iraq to Iran to North Korea. If we want God to protect us, we must do that which is pleasing in his sight."

Victory for enemies? Since when was America overthrown after the American Revolution? Not once. America still stands. Yes, America has been in a lot of wars, and both sides achieve several victories, but America has never been taken over by a foreign nation. America lost several wars, such as Vietnam, but America still remains.

Also, why should we put our care into the hands of some divine being to take care for us instead of taking responsibility and solving the problems ourselves?

Not once did Ray or Kirk think to compare America to secular countries - nations who don't honor God, and guess what? They do not have as much problems as America. According to the United Nations' Human Development Report (2005) the most secular nations are also the healthiest, as indicated by measures of life expectancy, adult literacy, per capita income, educational attainment, gender equality, homicide rate and infant mortality. Conversely, the 50 nations now ranked lowest in terms of human development are unwaveringly religious. Other analyses paint the same picture: The United States is unique among wealthy democracies in its level of religious literalism and opposition to evolutionary theory; it is also uniquely beleaguered by high rates of homicide, abortion, teen pregnancy, STD infection and infant mortality. The same comparison holds true within the United States itself: Southern and Midwestern states, characterized by the highest levels of religious superstition and hostility to evolutionary theory, are especially plagued by the above indicators of societal dysfunction, while the comparatively secular states of the Northeast conform to European norms. Countries with high levels of atheism also are the most charitable in terms of giving foreign aid to the developing world. The dubious link between Christian literalism and Christian values is also belied by other induces of charity. Consider the ratio in salaries between top-tier CEOs and their average employee: in Britain it is 24 to 1; France 15 to 1; Sweden 13 to 1; in the United States, where 83% of the population believes that Jesus literally rose from the dead, it is 475 to 1. Recently, a survey was created to discover how important religion is compared with the average IQ, and results concluded the countries with the highest IQ were the least religious. United States (98) is the eighth on the highest IQ, yet they are far into the large group of highly religious nations.



  • Dr. Tony Evans (President, Urban Alternative) "When you have a world view that starts with God, as even our nation states 'One nation under god', we use it in terminology, but we don't want to use it in reality. To be under God means He sits as sovereign over our decisions. We want God for invocations and better dictions, we want him as bread but not the meat in between, and he is insulted by that. He wants to be the context by which decisions are made and choices are made that he can be involved in bringing the result we are all looking for. When 9/11 hit, everybody wanted God, everybody went back to church as all of the sudden we face the problem we could not fix. When things died down and when people went back to business as usual, that is why we cannot resolve these problems. God stays insulted and it is kinda hard to get along with somebody who is insulting you all the time. This is also true in our personal lives, in our personal choices if we do not fear God and respect God, then ah, it is like a police man pulled you over and if you dishonor him, you asked for more trouble than you have asked for mercy and help because you were wrong, you asked for a ticket in jail."

Lets get the record straight; the phrase "under God" was put in place in the 1950's in response to the rise in fear of communism.

Basically, Evans here is called for a strict theocracy, where God is included in every decision (both in government and in the courts). All one has to do to see that this is a very bad idea is look at modern day Iran or the Christian Dark Ages, the Salem Witch Trials or even the continual burning of witches in Africa.

Does Evans have any statistics or data to show that after 9/11 the morality of America turned in favor of the Christian worldview that eventually died down to the old ways sometime afterward?

Is America a "good nation?"

  • Ray "Lets examine ourselves as a nation in the light of god's law - the Ten Commandments - and see if we are going that which is pleasing in his sight." (while playing slow and sorrow filled wind instrument music)

Playing sad music does not give any weight to your arguments. For the record, Ray does not even understand his own Bible and misrepresents what the Commandments actually say.

1) You Shall Not Kill "According to the F.B.I., approximately 18,000 people are murdered each year in the U.S. There are a total of 200,000 murders during the 1990's, over 100,000 of those murders were never brought to justice. America kills over 100,000 children through abortion every month. Since the legalization of abortion in 1973, more than 52 million babies have been aborted."

2) You Shall Not Commit Adultery "The U.S. Today reported that 50-60% of married couples admit to adultery. Premarital sex is practiced by more than 75% of women and more than 80% of men by the age of 19. 45 million people are infected with a virus that causes genital herpes. 33% of all births are under unmarried women. Americans spend up to 13 billion dollars every year on pornography - this concedes the gross income of ABC, CBS and NBC."

Did you know the largest consumers of pornography are conservatives and religious people? A study showed that states with the highest levels of conservatism and religious beliefs had the highest consumption of pornography. The study also showed that states where gay marriage remained illegal had an increase percentage in porn consumption.

3) You Shall Not Steal "Theft costs our country 500 billion each year. The F.B.I. reported there are more than 1.2 million motor vehicle thefts in the United States in one year. Every year, approximately 13 million people are victims of crime with 1.5 million are those of being victims of violent crime."

4) You Shall Not Lie "The Banner Research group found 62% of Americans profess to being Christians, while 91% of them confess to to lying regularly."

There is no Commandment that say you shall not lie. Period. The Commandment says do not bear false witness against your neighbor - this is referring to misrepresenting someone in court, it does not outlaw lying overall.

5) You Shall Not Covet "Americans now visit casinos more often then they attend professional sporting events. And their lust for more money, they lose an excess of 50 billion dollars each year to lotteries, horse and dog tracks, casinos, and various other gambling venues - all because of greed."

This Commandment is just stupid. Coveting is what drives capitalism. In fact, the main reason why Europeans first settled on America soil was in search of profit and riches for businesses back in Europe. As long as America stays America, coveting will be apart of it. Basically, America from the start has told God to get lost and take his Commandments with him.

  • Ray "We also violate the first, second, third, and fourth of the Ten Commandments with continual blaspheme. Our idolatry - that is creating a god in our minds we are more comfortable with in a form of godliness. Many political leaders profess to loving God and stand for things that are repulsive and detestable to him. Our churches have priests that have been proven to be pedophiles and so-called preachers who care of nothing but money (something the Bible condemns). Add to that, that America has over 680,000 rapes each year and spends over 400 billion dollars a year on alcohol and drug related problems, and we can see as a nation we are not doing to well morally."

Ray is just as guilty of idolatry as any Christian he points his finger at.

Ray says that he is a "genuine" or "true" Christian, and yet he seems to be interested in one thing: money. He lives in a multi-million dollar house in Southern California, he constantly writes books that always repeat the same old material (just to sell books and make $money$), and he frequently asks for lots of donations before releasing FREE materials.

  • Dr. Tony Evans "You know, in 2 Chronicles 15:3-6 it comes clear that there is a direct correlation between the social well-being of the people and the spiritual well-being of the people. That passage indicates that as people, we are not in touch with God, chaos broke out in society. I think that directly relates with our nation today. Because God has been marginalized and dismissed to the periphery of the culture. We are seeing chaos erupt in the culture on every level; personal, family, in community, and now nationally and internationally. In fact, that passage says nation rose up against nation, so whether it is the 9/11 issue, or terrorism, all of that is tied to America's lack of relationship with God. And if god is your problem, ONLY God is your solution. So until the spiritual and theological gets right, the social will always be chaotic."

You know, in several neurologist and psychologist books, it comes clear that there is a aspect to our brains that makes things appear real. Did you also know that sociologists show that social well-being is at it highest when people engage in community activities and live healthy lifestyles?

For that matter, did you know that in Dianetics, our social well-being is tied to our levels of thetans in our bodies. There is a direct correlation that lower levels of thetans makes people happier, and higher levels of thetans resulted in chaotic and unhappy depressed people. American society is full of chaos and depressed people. Therefore, Dianetics is true and we all must audit ourselves from our thetans to become happy. Yes, we know that is bullshit, exactly for the same reasons Evan's piece here is bullshit. Reflecting your favorite texts on reality and spotting a similarity does not mean that correlation means causation. If the Bible or Koran says that nations will struggle, that does not mean that the Bible or Koran are true. Incidentally in the past Americans went to church more often but also comitted genocide against Native Americans. Were they really nearer to Christian values then than they are today? If they were at least part of Christian values are very bad.

Americas relationship with God

  • Kirk "Are you concerned as much as I am about America? We love this country, we love its people, its terrible to see what is happening. Did your heart break at the moral filth that is being pumped into the minds of our children? And they are being told that it is normal and okay? Does it grieve you to see diseases, like cancer and others, spreading across our country? Is there any real hope for America? Is there anything we can do? The answer is yes. And it is rooted in our relationship as a nation with Almighty God. We are not a nation that is afraid to talk about god."

Care to explain what is this "moral filth" that we tell our kids is okay?

Cut to a cartoon family browsing through channels that all show people talking about their relationship with God (includes Dr. Phil, Glenn Beck, Georgia prayers to end droughts, medical "miracles", biblical questions on game shows, pastors and congregationalists, Senator John Edwards, several news channels, and such.)

Do you really want to make your case by showing theists like Glenn Beck?

  • Kirk, "We have become a nation that says we love God. We draw near to God with our lips, but our hearts are far from him. As evidence by our decay of moral condition."

Back to the cartoon couple, tuning in to a CNN guy on TV talking about America and declining of religiosity leading to Americans downfall. He says that Americans have freedom of religion, as well as the freedom to celebrate materialism and lust. The guys says we love pornography, gambling, drinking, jumping in and out of marriages, mixing trashy life styles (showing a celebrity going down the red carpet). Our money says "in God we Trust" and we sing "God bless America" and the guy concludes with 'God bless us or God hurt us?'

And I have the freedom to say this guy is full of it. Americans love freedom, and we will never forget the men who died to give us that right.

  • Kirk, "And still, the thought that we somehow offended God somehow doesn't even enter our minds. Instead we blame all our problems on global warming, global cooling, el ninyo, toxic gases, our enemies, Mother Nature (whoever she is), a hole in the ozone layer, anything but ourselves."

"...anything but ourselves." WTF do you mean "anything but ourselves"!? Mankind DOES contribute to global warming, we take responsibility, which is why governments across the globe are working to reduce our carbon footprint. We can help counter it, and that is what we are striving for, and we we do this by taking actual action and not resorting to prayer.

WE HUMANS are the ones releasing toxic gases, not alligators or penguins. Man-made incendiaries constantly release vast amounts of toxic gases (such as carbon monoxide) into the atmosphere everyday. Such man-made refineries lead to disasters like acid rain, which destroy forests.

Humans are the ones who put lead in our gasoline, which largely contributed to the destruction of the ozone layer. We finally cut lead from our gas when we realized how harmful it was, BECAUSE we realized we were the problem. We were to blame, and we did not place that blame on a colony of ants or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. No, we took the blame. How dare Kirk Cameron state that we do not take the responsibility for man-made disasters and put the blame on some magic man.

"Mother Nature (whoever she is)" Oh that's rich. Coming from a guy who says "we are made in his image" but never explains it. Mother Nature is not a person or a she, more of a metaphor. The earth is fertile and is the bringer of life, so humans often refer to the earth in female terms. But this does not mean that people who use such terms think of the earth as a female character.

  • Ray "Don't be fooled in thinking we can fix things up without God. That all we need to do is vote for the right political party, bring in the right legislation, fix the hole in the ozone layer, eat right and get plenty of exercise. Those things are good, but they won't fix our problem because it is far deeper than that. It HAS to do with our relationship with God. Even if we do eat right and exercise as the experts tell us, we are not guaranteed a long and healthy life. Listen to these tragic words of Jacqueline Kennedy as she lay dying of cancer and said "I don't get it, I did everything right to take care of myself, and look at what happened."

We created these problems, we can fix them. We do not need to sit on the sidelines and wait for some magic man to help us.

What and where is Ray's source for Kennedy's quote? If she believed she did everything she could to live long, but she had to be out of her mind to believe that she could escape death entirely. She smoked heavily and could not have done everything right. [3] There are external factors that could contribute to the shortening of a persons life that is not in their control, such as pollution or radioactivity.

Why Doesn't God help us?

  • Ray "Why doesn't God help us when there is a national crisis? Could it be that his holy name is being used as a cuss word in our movies and on television and blaspheme has become part of our culture? Could it be because we threw prayer out of our schools, outlawed the posting of the Ten Commandments in public places, and we have taught our children that they weren't made by God but by an unscientific theory called evolution?"

Using God's name as a cuss word is NOT blaspheme. take God's name in vain means taking his actual name (Yahweh) under a false oath or a un-kept promise. Students are free to pray on campus to whatever deity they wish, but schools cannot sanction one religion over the other or even religion in general. How would Ray and Kirk feel if schools mandated that kids bow towards Mecca five times a day? They would be infuriated, and rightly so. Schools cannot and must not sanction religion, and thus protect the Establishment Clause. It is the same with the Ten Commandments. Our laws are not based on the Bible, rather many of our laws go contrary to what the Bible demands. Finally, we teach our students facts. It is a fact that evolution happens; that biodiversity and complexity does increase, that both occur naturally only by evolutionary means.

It is a fact that alleles vary with increasing distinction in reproductive populations and that these are accelerated in genetically isolated groups.

It is a fact that natural selection, sexual selection, and genetic drift have all been proven to have predictable effect in guiding this variance.

It is a fact that significant beneficial mutations do occur and are inherited by descendant groups, and that multiple independent sets of biological markers exist to trace these lineages backwards over many generations.

It is a fact that birds are a subset of dinosaurs the same way humans are a subset of apes, primates, eutherian mammals, and vertebrate deuterostome animals.

It is a fact that the collective genome of all animals has been traced to its most basal form, and that those forms are also indicated by comparative morphology, physiology, and embryological development.

It is a fact that everything on earth has definite relatives either living nearby or evident in the fossil record.

It is a fact that the fossil record holds hundreds of definitely transitional species even according to it’s strictest definition, and that both microevolution and macroevolution have been directly-observed.

Evolution is a fact! Whether Ray likes it or not, humans are evolved apes. We are apes definitely and definitively. Are we made in the image of God? Since God does not exist (Ray and many Christians have tried and failed to prove that God does exist) then the answer is simply no, we are not made in some so-called image. Hypothetically, if there was a creator who made us in it's image, then the creator is a monkey.

  • Rick Green (former state rep. of Texas) "You know, if you look at the blessings of a nation, sometimes you measure that in terms of finances, maybe you measure that in terms of crime, maybe you measure it in the terms of happiness of the people. Well here we are, the most financially blessed nation in the history of the world. We are probably the most successful nation in the history of the world. We have more freedom than anyone has ever had in history, yet we find things like school shootings. We find things like more and more people are on psychotropic drugs and all these different things where you can see there is a cultural decline in terms of our happiness. We are losing the blessings we have been given over the last century, in terms of finances and everything else, because we have lost the morality that puts all those things into perspective."

A lot of absolute statements here regarding to history, all based more on pride than actual historical sources.

Are we the freest nation in history? If freedom means anything, it is the ability to do what you wish without government restrictions. America may have a lot of freedoms, but many Americans would argue that they are still not free. Bear in mind America has adopted new freedoms for its citizens over the years, such as the freedom of African Americans and womens suffrage. Still, are we the freest? Some may point to other tribal cultures, where its people enjoyed close to no restrictions.

Is America happy? Not really, if the statistics are anything to go by.

  • Ray "We can't do such things and click our fingers and expect God to come running like some sort of divine butler. As a nation like Israel of old, we are like an adulteress wife. And there can be no reconciliation without genuine repentance. It is not enough to acknowledge God with our lips but at the same time deny his divine power and authority in our lives. As our creator, God demands total surrender to his will. The first greatest Commandments is to love him with all of our heart, mind, soul, and strength. To fail to do so and at the same time give ourselves to sin is asking for God's judgment. This is something our forefathers knew and proclaimed. Even insurance companies got it right. If there is a tornado, a flood, a drought or a earthquake, they call it "an act of God." "

"In circumstances as dark as these, it becomes us, as Men and Christians, to reflect that whilst every prudent measure should be taken to ward off the impending judgments...at the time all confidence must be withheld from the means we use; and reposed only on that God rules in the armies of Heaven and without His whole blessing, the best human counsels are but foolishness..." - John Hancock (A Day of Fasting, Humiliation and Prayer with a total ____ from labor and reconstruction. Proclamation on April 15, 1775)

"Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever." - Thomas Jefferson (Excerpts are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the ____ capitol.)

  • Kirk "We are in trouble as a nation, but like we said before, there is a great hope for America and it is found in God - and it is mercy. We are a nation made up of individuals, and when individuals get right with God, then America gets right with God. When America gets right with God, then we can have hope that he will heal our land."

When America gets right with Krishna, we can hope that he could heal our land. You can hope all you like that your imaginary friend will help a whole nation, but you have no guarantee. You know what does guarantee change.. taking action. that is why people say that two working hands are far better than a million pair of hands clasped in prayer.

Street interviews: one 2 one

The interview with Ray Comfort and a young Asian lady (with a nice hat) takes place in the middle of the 3rd Street Promenade in Santa Monica. As usual, the interview takes place with Ray taking the lady down the old are you a good person? routine. She starts off by saying no she isn't a good person.

Ending remarks

  • Ray "If you're a Christian, deliberately rub shoulders with the unsaved so you can share the gospel with them. Many years have insulated ourselves with cozy clicks. We are salt and unsalt, light among light, we live in a monastery without walls, we are as monks and monkesses running around with a vow of silence. We have a glorious gospel to preach, so shout it from the house tops because the time is coming when the doors of Gods grace will close. Listen now to these wise words from Abraham Lincoln."
  • "We have been preserved these many years in peace and prosperity. We have grown in numbers, wealth and power as no other nation has ever grown. But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us; and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own." (No source given)
  • "Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us!" (No source given).
  • "It behooves us then to humble ourselves before the offended Power, to confess our national sins and to pray for clemency and forgiveness." (No source given)

Listen now to these wise words from Abraham Lincoln, (ate least we give sources)

  • "The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession."- Abraham Lincoln, quoted by Joseph Lewis in "Lincoln the Freethinker"
  • "What is to be, will be, and no prayers of ours can arrest the decree." - Abraham Lincoln, quoted by Mary Todd Lincoln in William Herndon's Religion of Lincoln, quoted from Franklin Steiner, The Religious Beleifs of Our Presidents, p. 118
  • "My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them." - Abraham Lincoln, to Judge J S Wakefield, after Willie Lincoln's death (Willie died in 1862), quoted by Joseph Lewis in "Lincoln the Freethinker," also appearing in Remsburg's "Six Historic Americans" (Authenticity questioned by some because it allegedly does not appear in Wakefield's papers [Andrew Lutes, persistent picker of insignificant separationist nits]; authenticity questioned by others who claim that Wakefield did not exist [forgotten web site which also featured all the regular and long-refuted arguments for Lincoln's Christian piety]. Go figure!

Listen to what mary Lincoln had to say about her husband,

  • "Mr. Lincoln's maxim and philosophy were: 'What is to be, will be, and no prayers of ours can arrest the decree.' He never joined any Church. He was a religious man always, I think, but was not a technical Christian." - Mary Todd Lincoln in William Herndon's Religion of Lincoln, quoted from Franklin Steiner, The Religious Beleifs of Our Presidents, p. 118)

For more quotes on Lincoln, see here.

  • Kirk "We hope that you have found this program to be eye-opening and inspirational. Please do not wait until tomorrow to get things right with God. And then do what is pleasing in his sight. May God bless you and your family and may God bless America."

WTOM quotes Psalm 33:12 "Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord..."

  • Dr. D. James Kennedy, "I'm actually optimistic because I see also very positive things happening. I see the number of people being brought to Christ increasing. I see the number of Christians being brought into a relationship with Christ in all different branches of our country." (Scene cut) "So, we are engaged in a football game as it were where there is good and evil - there is a struggle for the heart and soul of America and the decision as to who wins is superbowl is not yet in. But we are going to win!"

"I see the number of ...." What numbers and statistics Kennedy is seeing is a mystery. According to the actual statistics, the populations of Christians in America are dropping. The population of secularists, non-religionists, and atheists and agnostics have doubled in the last decade (which is now 16% of the American population). In Europe, Christianity is also dying - particularly due to the sex scandal in the churches (such as the 180,000 who left Christianity in Germany lat year [4]). Incidents are happening like this all around the world, with religion slowly dying.

If in future things go well for the United States that will be because more Americans have been brought into a relationship with Christ. If things go badly that will be because of the sin which the rest do. Either way Kennedy, Comfort and the others can fit things to their evangelist position.

Final remarks from Iron Chariots

Throughout this program, it is assumed that America was founded on the Bible. Ray and Kirk not only believe that a country born from the Bible is obliged to God, but all nations should honor God. If a nation fails to honor God, then God (by Ray and Kirk's beliefs) punishes the nation with plagues and suffering.

Ray and Kirk believe that they are doing their country a big favor and service by trying to bring everyone to Christ, they believe in doing so God will solve all our problems. What was never done throughout this program was compare the United States (a highly religious country) with the one of the least religious country on earth. How do secular godless societies fair? Surely God must have severely punished them so much that the United States can't hold a candle to them. So, what are the facts? Are secular nations plagued? Are they bankrupt? Are they happy?

Surprise surprise, they are actually doing very well. By every measure of social health (life expectancy, literacy rates, school enrollment rates, standard of living, infant mortality, child welfare, economic equality, economic competitiveness, gender equality, healthcare, lack of corruption, environmental protection, charity to poor nations, crime, suicide, unemployment) Denmark and Sweden ranked near the top. 20% of their populations believe in God compared to about 80% in America. Most Danes and Swedes don't even believe in the notion of "sin" and yet their violent crime rates are the lowest in the world. Almost nobody reads the Bible or goes to church. A survey of happiness of 91 nations, Denmark ranked number one.

Make no mistake these countries do have problems, but they are freer to consider rational solutions by not having a majority of citizens who rely on ancient fables for primary guidance. Sociologist Phil Zuckerman spent fourteen months during 2005-2006 in Denmark and Sweden interviewing a wide range of people about their religious beliefs. He presented his results in 2008 and among the first things he noticed upon arriving in Aarhus, Denmark: there was no cops. He saw no police cars, no officers patrolling on foot or motorcycle. A grand total of 31 days passed before seeing his first police presence. In 2004 the total number of murders in Aarhus, a bustling metropolis of a quarter million people, was one. That's right, only one.

Clearly belief in God has no affect whatsoever on the prosperity of a nation This is yet another example of Ray Comfort, Kirk Cameron, Way of the Master, and most Christians unable and unwilling to do actual research. Belief in God does not grant any "blessings" and not believing in God does not bring "plagues and suffering." What Ray and Kirk are offering in this program (they say religion is the solution, the rest call it delusion) has no affect on a nation whatsoever. So basically, Ray and Kirk tell us to let their invisible friend to take care of us rather than us taking care of ourselves - and yet the statistics show us that religion only brings negative impacts of the Dark Ages.

In summary, it is best we abandon religion altogether. Religion is clearly not necessary to live happy, provide ethical assistance, or make a country prosper. Instead of religion providing what it actually promises (blessings, happiness and prosperity) rather it gives us a variety of negative impacts that we just do not need.


The Way of the Master
Season One Episodes:

1. The Firefighter   2. The Mirror of the Ten Commandments   3. The Motive of the Sinner   4. The Summary of Salvation   5. Practice What You Preach   6. Idolatry—The Darling Sin of Humanity   7. The Beauty of a Broken Spirit—Atheism   8. WDJD?   9. Blasphemy, Sabbath, Parents   10. Murder   11. Adultery   12. Theft   13. Lie and Covet

Season Two Episodes:

1. God's Wonderful Plan   2. Conscience   3. Alcatraz, Al Capone, Alcohol   4. True and False Conversion   5. When Things Go Wrong   6. The Satanic Influence   7. How to Witness to Someone Who's Homosexual/Gay   8. Evolution   9. How to Witness to a Loved One   10. The Fear of God   11. Ice Breakers—Gospel Tracts   12. The Greatest Gamble  13. How to Get on Fire for God

Season Three Episodes:

1. Battle for the Lost   2. Where Has the Passion Gone?   3. Joe Average   4. Caught in a Lie   5. The Divine Butler   6. Why Christianity?   7. Jehovah's Witness   8. Mormonism   9. Are You A Genius?   10. Last Words of the Rich and Famous   11. How to Find God's Will   12. What Scares You   13. Hollywood Be Thy Name

Cast
Ray Comfort — Kirk Cameron

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